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Do You Agree With Patrick's Gun Control, Mental Health Proposals?

Gov. Deval Patrick unveiled legislation on Wednesday that would tighten gun control laws in Massachusetts while increasing funding for mental health services and enhance background checks. Is this sensible, or reactionary?

 

Are new proposed laws regarding guns in Massachusetts and mental health services sensible and pragmatic steps, or reactionary measures that won't increase safety? 

Gov. Deval Patrick introduced new legislation Wednesday along those lines in the wake of the school shootings in Newtown, CT.

"I am encouraged by the palpable consensus in our Legislature that the time for action is now. All of us must pull in the same direction to bring about real change in this state and across the country," Patrick said in a press release. 

The bill would require gun purchasers to undergo background checks at gun shows, reduce access to high-powered rounds of ammunition, and limit licensed individuals to purchasing a maximum of one gun per month.

Punishments for crimes involving guns would also sharpen, with tiered punishments for possessing different weapons on school property and giving police the authority to arrest without a warrant in order to quickly diffuse a dangerous situation on school property.

Four new crimes would be created—assault and battery by means of a firearm, assault by means of a firearm, being a felon in possession of a firearm and commission of a violent misdemeanor while in possession of a weapon. Additionally, the bill increases the authorized minimum penalties for third and fourth offenses of illegal possession and carrying of firearms, shotguns, rifles, and machine guns and increases the maximum punishment for a second offense.

Mental health issues also became a hot topic after the school shooting and other mass shootings in the U.S. this year. Patrick's bill would enhance background checks by requiring courts to transmit all relevant mental health records to the state's criminal justice information system, which would result in this information being included in a national registry that all states access before issuing gun licenses.

The state Department of Mental Health would also get a 3.3 percent increase in the governor's fiscal 2014 budget proposal, with funding for team to travel to locations with individuals in crisis; training for middle and high school personnel in recognizing and addressing mental illness in students; and more funding for crisis intervention training for first responders, among other initiatives.

Gun ownership advocates have argued that stricter gun control laws haven't had an effect on reducing gun violence and instead places additional burdens on lawful owners. Jim Wallace, president of the Gun Owners Action League, the NRA affiliate in Massachusetts, told WBUR that current Massachusetts gun laws that passed in 1998 have been an "abject failure" and that they're "complicated and convoluted" for lawful gun owners to understand. 

"What we know here in Massachusetts is that in 1998 when the gun control act was passed, we had 1.5 million licensed gun owners in this state," Wallace told WBUR. "We are now down to about 230,000 to 250,000. And the sad part is while our numbers have been reduced by 85 percent, gun crime as increased by 200 percent."

Wallace added that the laws and state Legislature are "focusing way too much on the good guys and not nearly enough on the bad guys."

What do you think of the governor's proposal? Are these pragmatic reforms, or will they be ineffective in reducing gun violence? Tell us what you think in the comments below.

Related Topics: Deval Patrick, Massachusetts, Mental Health, gun control, and gun safety

MoonBeamWatcher

11:48 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

YES . . . and NO! Who amongst us is to sit in judgement?
Would counseling in High School for inappropriate behavior cause
the rejection of a applicant for gun permit at age 30?
Would it discourage an individual seeking mental health care or family counseling?

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ipwtech

12:16 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

"...giving police the authority to arrest without a warrant..." This is scary right here.

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Brian Sullivan

3:54 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

They already have the authority to arrest without a warrant on anything that they witness.

Jonathan Porter

12:21 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

No Criminals will ignore them and still be armed. Law biding citizens will have to jump through loops and dance just to get permission. So the end result will be that criminals will have an easier time obtaining a gun then the law biding citizens. Does that seem right to you?

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Norman

12:52 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

I am a gun owner and believe that the 2nd amendment is there so that I can be armed, both to protect myself from criminals and my own government. I am afraid of encroachment upon it. That said, my understanding is that, under current law, I can take one of my handguns right down to Center Street and sell it to the first person I encounter for $1. No questions asked, no knowledge of the person required because it is a private sale. Am I wrong about that? If that is correct, than I am in favor of fixing that aspect of our gun laws. As to an assault weapons ban...that won't change anything. Let's not forget that almost everyone who is killed by a gun (who does not kill themselves) is a young black or brown man killed by a handgun. Why don't we have the will and energy to tackle that?

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Brian Sullivan

3:58 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

I do not disagree with background checks either. What burns me is that I spent 11 years of my life defending my right to have the weapons that I have and another 9 as apolice officer trying to keep the low life thugs from doing harm to law abiding citizens. Now there idiots on the Hill, (you pick which) want to make it so I can't own anything, but the low lifes, who won't turn theirs in will l set. Can you say accomplice???

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William Dawes

7:14 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Norman, you are misinformed, and are misinforming others when you say that under current law, you could take one of your handguns and sell it to anyone with no questions asked. In a private sale, you can only sell to someone who has the correct license to purchase a handgun. Then, you must notify the State within 7 days that you have transferred the gun.

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Norman

5:11 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Thanks for the info William. This changes my view a bit. I’ve obviously never sold a weapon privately. When I notify the state that I transferred the firearm do I give them the name of the transferee? If so, the background check would seem to be redundant, since the state can just check the notice of transfer to confirm that the recipient is authorized to own the weapon. If they have lost their authorization than the state can go and collect both them and the weapon. I guess I’m still not opposed to going to a dealer and giving them a few bucks to use their machine to do the on the spot check, but if I have to notify the state of the name of the transferee anyway, this would seem redundant. Of course, all of this assumes that the state actually does something with the notice it is given.

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Norman

5:13 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Brian I share your frustration that the instant reaction always seems to be the same...take away the rights of the people who obey the law. The answer always seems to be the same, no matter how unrelated to an actual solution. Just the same, I'd rather not be the dogmatic one.

Calvin Arey

2:38 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

The Second Amendment has its roots in the slave South. James Madison, from the slave state of Virginia, wrote the 2nd Amendment to assure the slave states that their slave patrols would not be disarmed by the Congress. Those slave patrols became the state militias which later formed the core of the traitor army which fought against Lincoln in an effort to destroy our government. After defeat they became armed lynch mobs, the KKK and the CCC. They are still with us clutching their guns and Bibles.

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Brian Sullivan

4:01 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Obviously a fan of the President. Well, for another side to it, The majority of correct thinking individuals realize that the reason for the armed citizen is twofold, (Or was) to provide in a timely manner volunteers with knowledge of firearms for the Militias, AND to assure that the armed citizenry balanced any attempt by those with the desire to create a tyrannical Government.

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Ajax

5:38 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Love it! Blame it all on racism. Nowadays anything can be construed as racist. The 2nd amendment is racist. Lets just ignore any concept of protecting ourselves from tyranny + criminals and instead just scream racism. Lame!

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James Madison

6:26 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

50% of all the 11,500 gun homicides in 2009 involved black men killing other black men. So 3% of the population accounts for 50% of the gun homicides. Yeah, whites, lawful gun owners and the police are the the racists that are at the heart of the disintegration of black america. Time to wake up calvin, its clear that today, the single greatest threat to a black man is another black man.

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Elizabeth A. Doris-Gustin

2:09 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013

The 2nd Amendment is based in English common law. The British had the right to seize all arms from the Colonists. The start of the War of Independence - the British were on their way to Concord to seize the arms kept there by the Colonists. Paul Revere and Wm Dawes rode the countryside yelling- the British are coming. And the rest is history.

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Mike Johnson

3:15 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

What a joke, make this a racist issue. So, by CALVINS account, now Obama wants to take guns away from white people so only gang bangers have them. Just for a history lesson, 100% of KKK members were democrats, and thats a fact. 90% of gun homicides are conducted with illegal weapons. Why is there no talk of attacking this problem and enforcing our laws more stringently. Our liberal judges give light sentences to people with illegal guns, then wonder why the inner city has such a high murder rate. Go after the 90%, murder rates drop significantly, go after legal assault weapons (1.7% of all murders, and 90% of those with illegal weapons, so like .17%, thats right, less than 1/4 of 1%) and you do nothing. This is a scam to go after our rights a little at a time, and use tragedys as the backdrop. Obama has a lifetime history of less rights for the individual, more for the government. Thats also a fact. Wake up America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Keith Champney

10:50 am on Monday, January 28, 2013

The NRA has its roots in the Union Army of the North. Both George Wood Wingate and Ambrose Burnside served as Union generals before founding the NRA. Ambrose Burnside lamented over the poor marksmanship of the Union Army when firing at Confederates soldiers. The KKK was founded by Confederate veterans. They couldn't have possibly been on more opposite sides,

Charlie Denison

2:39 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

I'm in favor of most of the proposals except for reducing the maximum number of rounds a gun can hold from 10 to 7. I see little benefit in doing so, but more than anything, it will result in fewer models of guns being available to law-abiding citizens in MA. As it is, there are many more models of handguns available in other states because manufacturers have chosen to not manufacture versions that only hold 10 or fewer rounds. Reducing this limit to 7 will only make this worse.

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Brian Sullivan

4:03 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

You have struck on the exact reason for doing it! Ban the magazine and the gun is useless! They have just banned MOST semi Auto handguns by default!

Eric Smith

3:22 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

No! It is unconstitutional! Everyone of these new laws will effect ONLY law abiding citizens who are not the problem. Everyone of these mass shootings was committed by a mentally ill person on mess for said problems. All except one and he was off his meds. The weapons in question are not assault weapons, and they are used all the time for hunting. The only difference is when they hunt they use a 5 round magazine. The large magazines are used for protection and sporting. The looks of a weapon does not make it an assault weapon. Furthermore the 223/5.56 round commonly used in these weapons is indeed a very useful caliber. Police and sway teams around the country are going from the 9 mm round to the 223/5.56 because it is less likely to travel thrpough the intended target hitting an innocent. That is just one of the reason this weapon system is a favorite for home defense. As for limiting the size of the magazine one only has to do a quick search and see how handgun caliber rounds are fairly ineffective at quickly stopping a would be attacker. Sure there are plenty of one shot stops but many times attackers are on drugs and are shot multiple times and do not drop. Just last week a young mother shot an intruder 5 times out of six including a head shot and the attacker left and drive himself to the hospital. Enough is enough, concentrate on the criminals and leave the honest law abiding alone!

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Brian Sullivan

4:07 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

What specifically is a "High powered round of ammunition?" A 1853 Enfield Black powder rifle with a .577 Minie Ball and 70 grains of Black Powder is a pretty hefty load. Thats about what they used in 1863..........

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Calvin Arey

6:01 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

In the 1790's, James Madison, George Mason, Patrick Henry and other slave-owning Virginians, discussed the proposed Second Amendment. They worried that the North, where slavery was nearly eradicated, would someday act against slavery by taking action against their slave patrols/militia, or even by arming slaves through enlistment. Good thinking on their part because Lincoln eventually did something similar. The 2nd Amendment was all about armed men protecting a slave system by force of arms.

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justmaybe

9:44 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

It is not the availability of guns; it is the despair that comes from an overly regulated increasingly confined society. As our rights and our freedoms are taken by government, and self serving politicians, so increases the fear, the isolation, and so disappears the faith, creativity, and compassion for others.

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John Doe

10:28 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Why is the restriction on magazines not listed in this article? I have many 10rd magazines that I will have to destroy if this is passed. Will criminals be handing in their magazines also? If this passes I'll be forced to buy 7rd magazines. Will I have to destroy those in a few years for to buy 5rd magazines? or 3? I have many friends who collect WWII rifles that only accept 8 round magazines. It would be a shame to have those rendered useless because of a knee jerk reaction.

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DAVE GRALENSKI

2:07 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

DAVE...AS LONG AS DEVAL AND HIS GOVERNMENT CRONIES HAVE 24 HR. ARMED PROTECTION, I EXPECT THE SAME. I ACCEPT THAT I MUST ALWAYS BE THE 1ST. RESPONDER FOR THE PROTECTION OF MYSELF AND MY FAMILY. HIS LIFE IS NO MORE VALUABLE THAN MINE.....CREATED EQUALLY. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP AN ARMED THREAT FROM A BAD GUY(S), IS WITH A GUN IN THE HAND OF A GOOD GUY...THIS PILOSOPHY IS PRESCRIBED TO BY THE ACTIONS OF OUR POLICE AND OUR MILITARY..

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Dave Hermes

7:33 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

A 6 or 7 year old's right to life trumps the 2nd amendment any day.

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James Madison

9:35 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Right, so lets ban possession of high horsepower automobiles, because 42,000 Americans including thousands of children are killed in car crashes each year. Let's institute mental health checks for drivers so as to reduce incidients of road rage. Let's restrict the amount of alcohol you can buy each month, becuase 25,000 Americans die of alcohol related deaths each year (including 10,000 drunk driving incidents). Lets limit the number of cigarettes you can buy in a month becasue 158,000 americans die from tobacco related illness each year, and thousands of children are lured into what will surely be a fatal addiction. Way to think this through Dave. All the figures stated above can be checked iat the CDC website. Numbers are final death toatals for 2009.

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Ben Franklin

1:01 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

How about a 2-3 month old life Dave? Or does that not matter to you or our president?

William Dawes

8:16 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Dave Hermes

Fools like yourself always use the emotional argument and point to the children when you want to strip citizens of their rights.

You argument could be used to justify ANY action by the government.

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Calvin Arey

8:56 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

The extreme hard core of the gun advocates in the South are mainly descended from the defeated traitorous Confederate army who later formed armed lynch mobs and the KKK. Many gun advocates in the North really hate President Obama who obtained 82% of the last vote in my district.

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Michael Farrell

11:10 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Let's clarify something here... The KKK was the group responsible for passing many of the gun control laws in its era. They fought for the gun control laws to keep weapons out of the hands of African-Americans, and mainly, anybody not fitting the WASP mold.

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Rocco Giuliano

11:41 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

The only person I know with a so-called "assault rifle" is a politically liberal registered democrat, stalwart family man and pillar of his community. He uses his AR15 to compete in (and win) target competitions. One third of gun owners are women, and many are registered democrats. Your stereotypes don't hold up to scrutiny.

Joseph

9:00 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Dave Hermes is a fool. All these laws do is make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain legal weapons. As stated by several others.

Must be 21 to buy alcohol - underage drinking will never stop
Must be 18 to buy smokes - underage smoking will never stop
Drugs are illegal - Is that stopping anyone from buying drugs? No.
DUI Laws - How many repeat offenders?
Murder is illegal - Does that stop murders from happening?

What EVERYONE fails to remember about the horrific tragedy in CT is that this sick bastard murdered his own mother and stole her guns! He murdered someone that was a licensed gun owner to obtain weapons that weren't his. The laws in place prevented him from buying. No laws would have stopped him from killing.

The REAL issue (in this case) is mental health, not gun ownership and the ability to purchase weapons legally. Stop blaming the guns. Someone has to pull the trigger, they don't fire automatically. G'day.

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Just a person!

9:55 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Joseph, well stated I agree guns don't kill people,people kill people, a gun just dosent fire ,you have to pull the trigger, so it does not matter how many rounds it holds, nor if it is an automatic,nor. Rifle ,or pistol, it has to have someone pull the trigger!
So make all the laws you want, when all is said and done, criminals or illegal guns will still be out there.
Leave our Constitional rights alone!

Joseph

10:24 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Let's ban knives now too!!

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/17/woman-brutally-stabbed-inside-bed-bath-beyond-store-in-nj/#.UPjX3b2gA24.twitter

Even better, let's stop passengers from waiting on train platforms:

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Woman-Thrown-on-Subway-Tracks-During-Violent-Attack-187390991.html

Stories like these are a dime a dozen. Can be found daily on a variety of news websites. Huffington and Drudge just to name the most popular.

Seriously people, we can all agree what happened in CT was horrific, but passing laws based on emotions is the wrong response. This about recognizing mental health issues and having the balls to address them.

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mplo

4:23 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

The problem is, though, Joseph, is that people like the guy who did the Sandy Hook, CT, the Aurora, CO, the Virginia Tech shootings, to mention afew, can get guns easily because guns such as handguns, assault rifles and other automatic weapons are far too accessible here in the United States. While it's agreed that there are mental health issues that seriously require recognition and proper addressing of these issues, making it so that people with mental health issues (i. e. instability, mental illness, drug/alcohol abuse, etc.) can't access them readily. Gun dealers should deny such individuals access to firearms when their names come up on their computers. That, imho, would be a really important first step.

Ben Franklin

1:17 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

If the president cared about lives...he'd look to his own city of Chicago. Where 20 people are killed every weekend with illegal guns. Yet the gun control there is the toughest in the nation. Can't even carry a gun or get a permit. How can these people keep resisting the statistic that where there is the highest gun control there is the worst crime and murder rates. They can because the one thing on the agenda is to gut the second amendment.

These new regulations were put in place to stifle gun ownership. There will be no guns available with seven round mags. Therefore nothing gun dealers to sell but revolvers. This is the intention, a ban on all semi automatic firearms. The new regulations will make me, a law abiding citizen an outlaw because I own a ten round magazine. What a joke. Last time I checked I was a viable member of society who works, pays taxes, coaches young children, raises a family and acts to protect what this country is supposed to be about.

What did I do to become an outlaw? Kiss my A$$ Deval, I'm leaving this state for freedom of another state. You lost a good citizen and it's your fault and the fault of the people who continue to elect these libs.
Go ahead, keep pushing, men like me will follow suit......and the bleeding hearts can be left with the slubs....but they don't pay taxes, so you union guys can have good luck getting money from them.

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Calvin Arey

7:26 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Those of us who have friends and acquaintances in law enforcement who put their lives on the line protecting us do not want them facing these assault type weapons.

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Norman

9:15 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Funny, the cops I know are generally pro 2nd amendment. Many more so than I. When is the last time a Boston or NY cop traded rounds with someone wielding an AR 15? On the other hand, better tracing and actually enforcing the law against straw purchasers might actually make an impact on the number of guns in Rox, DoT and Mattapan. ...those are almost always handguns by the way.

Brian Zakrajsek

6:05 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

No, I do not agree with the proposed restrictions. I am a nine year Navy vet, my wife is in the National Guard, and we are law abiding citizens who want to be safe and protected.
Increase the penalties for committing a crime with a gun. Increase mental health care and secure our schools, but leave our Constitutionally guaranteed rights to have firearms alone.

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William Dawes

8:34 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I hope that should any President order or any Congress legislate the confiscation of firearms, that the military remembers that their oath they took is to "protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC".

They did not swear an oath to the President, or to an administration, or to a political party, they swore an oath to the Constitution. Therefore, in the issuance of any Unconstitutional orders, they are oath-sworn to disobey such orders.

An organization exists, called Oathkeepers, that encourages present and ex-military to remember their oath, and that it has no expiration date.

If push comes to shove, I pray that the military is on the side of the citizens.

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William Dawes

7:26 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

And I forgot to thank Brian Zakrajsek and his wife for their service to our country. Thank you.

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